Having worked in Wales a lot I can well appreciate when many would appreciate this facility as to some English is but a second language and in some areas is not widely spoken
What advantage does writing reviews in Welsh give to Tripadvisor, the Welsh tourist industry, or visitors to Wales?
The number of speakers of Welsh as their main language is miniscule and TA would gain no commercial advantage from developing a Welsh language site.
The only reason for writing reviews is to provide information to other travellers and if you write in Welsh you are making your reviews inaccessible to the majority of TA users, Google translate is far from perfect and I rarely bother to hit the translate button when there are foreign language reviews on a TA listing.
Actually if you speak welsh or are learning it makes a huge difference to choose an area or place in Wales or Patagonia that speaks welsh. In fact many welsh speakers choose places to stay, eat and socialise in a welsh environment as they feel more comfortable. Not only that but it is a unique selling point to tourism industry and something that appeals not only to welsh but also some non welsh speakers as we frequently find in our business. In terms of tripadvior there would be support for this from The Welsh language commission and it would have a fantastic impact for those of us with business' in Wales. Just look at the forums where someone at present wishes to stay in a truly welsh area over Christmas. Yes maybe someone can't read the posts, but it allows those posting to express their views in a language they feel most at ease articulating in. Plus expressing yourself and connecting to people in a similar position.
>>"but it is a unique selling point to tourism industry"<<
>>"Plus expressing yourself and connecting to people in a similar position."<<
If I wish to visit an area, but am unable to research that area due to a language barrier, how is that helpful ?
If the majority of your visitors are non-Welsh readers, how are you connecting to them, in writing, via a website ?
Sorry...but I don't buy your arguments.
Something that can be done, by stating in English, , in your review of, say, a hotel, "the staff here all speak Welsh if you'd like to practice your language skills". Saying that in Welsh isn't going to get you much business except from someone who can already speak Welsh, who obviously doesnt need to go there in order to learn!
By writing a review in Welsh you are being deliberately discriminatory and excluding non Welsh speakers, since you are making your review only available to a small proportion of the population in Wales , let alone the rest of the world. If its such a good Idea how come Welsh hotel and attraction owners don't only advertise in Welsh?
It's good to see 30% Welsh involvement on this thread! :-)
>>to stay, eat and socialise in a welsh environment<< I would love to do this and support the idea 100%. I don't speak Welsh but would find this so enriching. I have been to a home dinner and evening in Hungary. I spoke English and the hosts spoke broken English. Aside from watching Hungarian cowboys playing capture the flag (scarf) on bareback horses, it was the absolute highlight of my trip there.
The model that made this happen was not Trip Advisor. It was an organized arrangement by a local group. It would not have been possible without the existing infrastructure of the organizing group. I think this is the model that is needed. I'm not sure TA is an effective venue. This Welsh language market is too small. It is a niche market. The Welsh Language Commission in conjunction with the Welsh Tourist Office need to spearhead the creation of a network of stay, eat, socialize Welsh speaking properties and activities. They need to advertise this on their website. On my forums, we are constantly referring people to the tourist information websites.
There is another model I know of. Usually for younger people but utilized by middle aged and senior folks as well. That is language schools. People can come to Vancouver, several Québec towns, several Mexican towns where people can stay and eat in a homestay, speak the language at the home and at school and join in the activities and excursions of the school as well as family events and activities all in the destination language.
I think this wonderful opportunity needs to be furthered by Welsh agencies. I think it would be off putting and counter productive for people, such as myself, to go to reviews written in Welsh as I wouldn't have a clue what I was reading about. Posssibly leading to frustration and eventually abandoning my idea to immerse in Welsh society.
This has not addressed Welsh speakers wishing to use reviews to choose locations in Welsh which is an issue in itself. Only the Welsh speakers would be able to make sense out of reviews published in Welsh. I don't think that would be enough to meet the mark to be included on TA. A much greater mass of users would be needed to make it marketable, IMO, from TA's point of view.
As I have said previously I have worked in Wales and do think this is a great idea
The are certain companies in Wales that only gain the business they do because they have Welsh language website and dual language literature
I am sure there are many venues in certain parts of Wales where the majority of the language spoken is Welsh. So if a Welsh speaker wishes to do a review for one of these venues why should they have to do it in a foreign language?????
Actually there are many welsh speakers who write predomiently in welsh and are less confident writing in English or refuse to do so. Plus what's wrong with them writing to a welsh reader? Someone wrote a review of a local hotel in Spanish, so i pressed the translate button by the side and read the review in English! If the French spoken in Montreal was completely different from in France, would Tripadvisor accept it? As for an app, there are ones available and being developed. However to the main point it's a shame that Tripadvisor rejects the language of the indigenous people of the country.
TA can't support every language of every country. They don't accept reviews in Afrikaans - yet - even though there are 11 million Afrikaans speakers (7 million in South Africa alone). If they created a TripAdvisor.za site for South Africa, though, that might change.
With only 700,000 speakers of Welsh, it's hard to see the dollars & cents argument for creating a Welsh-language site with Welsh-speaking TripAdvisor staff to moderate the forums and vet Welsh reviews. (Using volunteers to do this is a non-starter for liability reasons. It's not a good idea to put your business & reputation directly in the hands of non-employees.)
If there is a legal requirement in Wales or the UK for TripAdvisor to make their website available to Welsh-only speakers, then your best bet is to bring this to the attention of your official language commissioner (or similar body) in Wales or the UK.Edited: 09 August 2013, 15:22
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