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London-Germany direct trains - at last some good news!

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London-Germany direct trains - at last some good news!

Deutsche Bahn have recently been granted an Operating Certificate for the Channel Tunnel, meaning that high-speed direct ICE trains from to destinations in Germany and The Netherlands are a step closer to reality.

Since 2010 DB has aspired to operate three trains a day - morning, daytime and evening - in each direction. Trains would run in pairs between London and Brussels, and then split, with one train serving Rotterdam and Amsterdam and the other Köln and Frankfurt - there would be connections into domestic high-speed trains to places such as Berlin and München. Originally proposed for December 2013, it is likely to be 2016 before these services are able to commence.

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1. Re: London-Germany direct trains - at last some good news!

Good news indeed, but I understand DB still does not have sufficient ICE trains to commence this route.

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That's one of the reasons the route has been put back. The new Siemens Velaro D, which has the necessary safety approval for operating through the Tunnel, is on order but delivery has been delayed.

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So only another 3 years to wait!

I read also that Eurostar's shiny new trains are also delayed in coming out of the factory.

But, what price the UK changing its border control policy? I am betting that travelling towards the UK everyone from Germany and Netherlands will have to get off at Brussels to pass through UK immigration, which might add an hour to the journey in that direction.

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It's a necessary step, but for passengers they may as well have been given a licence to operate on the moon.

It would probably be quicker to build an Apollo than a train capable of running in three different countries plus the Tunnel! ;0)

2016 - and December at that!

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> is on order but delivery has been delayed

I think there are already a dozen or so "delivered". But what still is missing is the technical approval of the Eisenbahnbundesamt (Federal Railway Agency). But similar approval problems have recently hit also other trains types, like the new Talent 2 EMUs of Bombardier.

some ICE Valero D (class 407) videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87WAxCkwrGk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDs2DcYSgIM

After the Eisenbahnbundesamt refused the first approval the current state is now that a new approval procedure can start now end of July 2013. It is expected this will need another 4-18 months.

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Border Controls will have to be done on the train from Lille or at St Pancras otherwise the "Lille Loophole" will become a gaping chasm .

Edited: 30 June 2013, 15:07
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There has been some reliability problems with the new sets. They should be operating between Frankfurt and Paris but SNCF have had to put on some extra TGVs to cover the gap by their non availability.

Unfortunately there is little or no chance of the UK Border Agency changing their policy and they are not keen on on board passport checks. But the sticking point is the archaic security procedures for anything going through the tunnel. It is not much different from any other tunnel in continental Europe such as the Simplon but the UK government insists that because it goes to France the trains should be seen as planes with the same security. This alone will deter anyone from operating a service outside Paris and Brussels as no one will want to put in the level of security that the UK government requires.

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