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Planning a trip to Europe

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Planning a trip to Europe

Hi Guys,

Can you perhaps advise,

We are planning a trip to Europe.

For around 12 days. We will be 4 People. Its a family trip for celebrating Milestone Birthdays.

We are traveling from South Africa.

We would like to find out what you would say is the best average budget for food and sightseeing daily.

We have looked at accomodation and travel between countries. but would like to figure out what the cost of meals would be.

Something good to sustain you, a good continental breakfast, and a sandwish for lunch, then a restaurant for dinner with some wine.

Can anybody give me a rough estimate please.

We are looking at going to London, Paris, Italy, The Netherlands and perhaps Greece.

Thanks for the help.

Nadia

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1. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

We were in Paris in October and food is everywhere and at all price levels. Breakfast at a cafe in the morning was 8-10e but we often just got yogurt at a local market and a baguette on the run. For lunch we often had great salads or a croque or sandwich at a cafe or you can grab a sandwich at any patisserie.....or crepes. Restaurants post their menus and you will have no difficulty keeping a budget in Paris. Breakfasts at hotels are usually much more expensive so we opted to eat elsewhere. Dinner runs the spectrum as all over the world from inexpensive to very expensive......you should research here on TA.

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2. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

12 days is most definitely NOT long enough for more than 2 countries, and even then I'd suggest you choose countries that are close to each other. For example, London and Paris or one of those two and Amsterdam.

What people sometimes don't realize is that you lose an entire day or even a day and a half when you travel between countries. It can really shorten that trip.

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3. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

Considering you plans, I would not be worried about food because 12 days to cover "London, Paris, Italy, The Netherlands and perhaps Greece" will not leave you any time to eat.

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4. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

I usually plan one restaurant meal per day - usually lunch, because there are many reasonably priced lunch specials available for less than 20€ including wine. Your budget really depends on what/how you want to eat.

With 12 days I think you're trying to cover way too many cities. With your plans you will be in each location for one day and half of your trip will be travel days. I would edit down to 2 - 3 cities at most. And suggest flying open-jaws, into one city and out of another in order to avoid backtracking.

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5. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

The day you arrive from a long-haul flight is mostly lost to jet lag and airport logistics. Getting off the plane, through immigration, baggage claim, and customs; getting into the city and checked into your hotel, then the unavoidable early bedtime means you'll have at best a few hours to walk around to get some fresh air, natural light, and exercise (the best remedies for jet lag).

The day you leave on a long-haul flight is mosly lost to airport logistics. It's important you check in early for long-haul international flights -- security is a slow process these days. Thus packing up, checking out, getting to the airport, and dealing with the airport means you'll have at best a few hours to walk around.

It takes a half a day at minimum to change cities (pack up, check out, get to the station/airport, the travel itself, getting to and settled into your new hotel) -- the further you travel, the more of your day that will be consumed.

It takes two nights in one city to get one full day of sightseeing.

As such, you have 10 days, not 12 -- and you lose 4 more days to travel between cities (and you'll lose most of a day if you do it by your itinerary -- those cities are a long way apart!) -- so you have 6 days to see 5 destinations.

Still sound like a good itinerary?

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6. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

Thank you so much for the advise.

Luckily we are only in the planning stages. So will have to think about this carefully.

All the advise is very useful.

So would you say an average in Europe as a daily budget for food when traveling, is 60Euros.

Would that be sufficient?

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7. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

60 Euros/day per person for food should be more than adequate. It's really up to you how much you spend.

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8. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

We spent 9 days in Paris with a few side trips to Versailles and Giverny. The advice you received about limiting the number of countries is correct. First pick the country you want to see the most. From Paris you can easily get to Brussels or London via train. In Italy you can easily get to Rome, Venice and Florence and consume 12 days. I agree, first decide on a reasonable itinerary.

After that......check out airfare and hotel costs to see if your overall plans fit your budget. Include travel costs in and between the cities and countries you are visiting. In our trip to Paris the metro, taxis, transfers to hotel and side trips added to our costs.

Then add on the cost of sightseeing. We spent about 65,00e per person for the cost of a 6 day Museum Pass.....another 20,00e for a cruise on the Seine, etc.

I think food is last on your list unless you are planning to dine in some of the finer and more costly restaurants. We had several excellent and more expensive meals in Paris but we also ate very well and at moderate costs at other restaurants, cafes, creperries and brasseries. Lots to do before you worry about food.

Another option is to look at Mediterranean cruises. That would be a good way to see many countries in 12 days and your food is included in the cost. Most start in Rome, Venice or Barcelona and might include the Greek islands, Turkey, southern France, etc. It could be an option.

Good luck and do not be afraid to ask questions. Most TA members will try to help you out the best they can.

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9. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

We are doing a similar trip, also from South Africa, doing 7 Cities in 22 days. We also started with 14 days but finally settled for 22 days which includes Cairo, London, Paris, Venice, Florence, Rome and Pompeii. Flying, trains, vehicle renting and flying, and I think that is though, 3 days per city.

Goodluck

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10. Re: Planning a trip to Europe

Braam, what your itinerary doesn't consider is travel time though. You won't actually end up with three days per city.