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area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

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area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

We are looking for advice on an area to stay in for a couple of days on the way to Salzburg and Munich. We will coming from Nice, France through Italy (not sure where we are stopping yet). We would like to hike and sightsee. We will not have a car. We have previously stayed in Murren, Switzerland and would love something like that.

Thanks for any advice!

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1. Re: area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

Salzkammergut is what you are looking for.

Why not stay in Bad Ischl and visit the small towns all around?

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2. Re: area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

Could we do this without a car?

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3. Re: area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

Absolutely!

Visit Hallstatt, Bad Aussee, Altaussee, Gmunden, Traunstein, etc.

It is my favorite part of Austria for mountains and lakes.

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4. Re: area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

EXACT dates. This may make a lot of difference.

EXACT Itinerary. An idea of your proposed route from Nice to Austria/Munich will also help with an idea of any of your points of interest.

If intending to use public transport and use trains your easiest is probably to take advantage of the German National rail www.bahn.de Verona - Munich services. There are 5 direct services daily.

ITALY - HIKING

From a logistical point of view may be easier to do the hiking/mountains visit in the Dolomites, Italy.

The Dolomites are a Unesco World Heritage site.

All the www.bahn.de Verona - Munich trains stop at Bolzano. From Bolzano you can easily reach Ortisei or Selva (di Val Gardena). Easier still is the Alpe di Siusi/Seiseralm at Siusi/Seis. The No. 170 bus runs every 30mins from Bolzano to Siusi/Seis and takes 40mins.

www.alpedisiusi.info/en/info/welcome.html

www.alpedisiusi.info/en/summer-active.html

www.sii.bz.it/en for local Bolzano transport

When wishing to go to Munich simply pick up one of the direct Verona - Munich www.bahn.de trains at Bolzano.

You can book the German trains Bolzano to Munich up to 92 days in advance to get discounts. Discounted fares for only €39 Bolzano to Munich.

Italian rail www.trenitalia.com have plenty of Intercity services between Milan and Verona and Regional services between Verona and Bolzano.

IMPORTANT

TRENTIALIA

A number of years ago the Italians threw all the toys out of the pram in a dispute over these German cross border services (even though they operate no services across any of their borders) and stopped cooperating with the Germans even going as far as omitting those services rom their online timetable. As a result it is not possible to get an online solution that requires a change from a German to Italian train (or vice versa).

Hence if wishing to use the German service then book on www.bahn.de

AUSTRIA HIKING/ AUSTRIAN RAIL

Austrian rail www.oebb.at cooperates with German rail on ticketting/info/services

Going with the same theme as you will be travelling from Nice you could consider the Zillertal. Perhaps Mayrhofen.

mayrhofen.at/en/…summer-vacation-family.html

The German Verona - Munich trains stop at Jenbach. At Jenbach there is a branch line service to Mayrhofen. You can get to Mayrhofen from Verona with only 1 change in 5hrs

Book your ticket from Verona to Mayrhofen on www.oebb.at

Agan advance booking will get you discounts.

If you have enough time of course you could do both. Maybe just stop in Bolzano and take the bus to Alpe di Siusi then travel Bolzano to Mayrhofen.

In Bolzano there is also the Renon/Ritten cable car and plateau

http://www.ritten.com/en/

ritten.com/en/discover-renon/cablecar-renon/

www.ritten.com/en/discover-renon/corno-renon/

SALZBURG/MUNICH

If you intend to stay in both cities then of course you can always book Intercity tickets to Salzburg from Verona/Bolzano/Mayrhofen etc but depends on your overall itinerary.

THe cheapest way to travel between Salzburg and Munich is the Bayern Ticket. People often use the Bayern Ticket to transfer from Munich to Salzburg or vice versa. Also visitors to Munich use it to do a day trip to Salzburg (or vice versa).

BAYERN TICKET

There is a ticket called the Bayern Ticket. Costs €22 for 1 person then €4 for each additional person up to a total of 5 people. Gives you UNLIMITED use of ALL Regional public transport in Bavaria. Includes ALL Regional trains (includes all Regional trains between Munich and Salzburg - there is a train every hour and the journey takes 2hrs), ALL Regional buses and ALL city transport in Munich, Augsburg and Nürnberg.

Only the fast ICE, IC, EC and RJ Railjet trains are excluded

Valid from 9am weekdays (midnight weekends) until 3am the following morning

Full T&Cs and click on Bayern

bahn.de/i/…laender-ticket.shtml

There are numerous day trips possible from Munich and Salzburg using the Bayern Ticket and depending on your overall itinerary and interest will determine what is best.

There is a Deutsche Bahn ticket machine at Salzburg station should you wish to use the Bayern Ticket from Salzburg to Munich

SALZBURG AREA

You can of course visit places on day trips and you will also find numerous hiking possiblities/mountains/lakes easily accessable by local transport for the day

BERCHTESGADEN INFO

Berchtesgaden is in Germany and the Germany RVO BUS company operate a service from Salzburg to Berchtesgaden. In Berchtesgaden you can go up the Jennerbahn and do some hiking. Even take a boat out the Königssee and do some hiking.

www.rvo-bus.de/file/3191966/data/840.pdf

A day ticket to use all the Berchtesgaden buses including the 840 service is only €9.50 per person

other services of interest

Bus to the Jennerbahn www.jennerbahn.de and Königssee www.koenigssee.de

www.rvo-bus.de/file/3191968/data/841.pdf

Bus up to the Dokumentation (for those doing the Eagles Nest tour themselve)

www.rvo-bus.de/file/3191760/data/838.pdf

General list of buses

rvo-bus.de/rvo-de/…

All the RVO Berchtesgaden buses (except the special Kehlsteinhaus line) are also included on the Bayern Tciket (see below)

HERRENCHIEMSEE

You may also be interested in visiting the Herrenchiemsee on Lake Chiemsee. It is another on of König Ludwigs follies (he of Neuschwanstein "Disney castle" fame). Located at Prien am Chiemsee (only 1hr from Salzburg or Munich on the Munich - Salzburg train - again Bayern ticket)

herren-chiemsee.de/englisch/…index.htm

herren-chiemsee.de/englisch/park/index.htm

There are various ferry services to the islands. Take the local steam train to the harbour

chiemsee-schifffahrt.de/files/chiemseeschiff…

chiemsee-schifffahrt.de/files/…fahrplan02.pdf

http://www.chiemsee-schifffahrt.de/

OEBB EINFACH-RAUS

There is also a special ticket from OEBB called Einfach-Raus. Similar to Bayern Ticket (but not as good) gives you unlimited use of Regional trains for the day.

oebb.at/en/…index.jsp

SVV

SVV are a local public transport company who can sell you tickets for using Public transport in the Salzburgerland. They can sell you tickets for buses and trains. Day passes. Multijourney etc. Includes using OEBB trains.

http://www.svv-info.at/en/home/

They have an office at Salzburg train station

ZELL AM SEE

You can use Einfach Raus ticket (or SVV Ticket) for instance to visit Zell am See from Salzburg should you wish more mountains/lakes/hiking. Also go up the Kitzsteinhorn glacier at Kaprun

www.zellamsee-kaprun.com

SALZKAMMERGUT

Also you can get local 150 bus from Salzburg to St Gilgen on the Wolfgangsee (Salzkammergut). Bus takes 50mins and runs every hour

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5. Re: area to stay in on way to Salzburg from Italy

Wow! Thanks for all the info. This will be middle to late June. Planning on heading down from Munich to Salzburg area. Then doing mountain/hiking part. After that stopping on the way through Italy (possibly Verona, Bolanzo, or Lake Garda) on way to Nice.

Would we be missing out if we didn't stay in Salzburg?

Thanks again!

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