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For the Californians

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For the Californians

Perhaps some of you may recognize me from my postings in the San Francisco and Death Valley forums. I am also active in the Switzerland and Netherlands forums. All of us, from the destination experts to the one-off posters, make a difference when we respond to someone's request for help or information. When we share our knowledge, we help not only the original poster, but also the anonymous user searching for information. In the end we don't know exactly how many travel plans our single posts have improved. Does it matter? If we helped even one person, wouldn't it still be worth it?

Tomorrow you will all have a chance to make a real difference in people's lives. Please go out and vote.

The whole world will be watching the election in California. They will be watching to see if we vote to write discrimination into our constitution or if we choose tolerance and acceptance for all our diverse citizens. Please vote NO on Proposition 8. This law is wrong and it's bad for California.

Do you know anyone who would be affected by this law? Yes, you do. Me. Am I a second-class citizen? Would you treat me differently? Would you vote to take away my right to move back to my beautiful home state with my partner, who is French? Please, Californians, this vote means everything to us. It will determine if we have the same basic rights as anyone else.

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1. Re: For the Californians

I am with you but and as long as we keep this about being able to travel to California and have the same rights as other travelers then we may be able to keep the thread from being deleted.

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I agree, imagine you want to check into a hotel and the frontdesk informs you that because you as a couple are not the same race for example, you would not be allowed on there premises. Frightening indeed

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While we were traveling in the SF/Monterey Bay area Oct. 18-25, I sometimes wrote down messages from signs, i.e. "No abaloning" & "Watch for endangered snakes." As we drove through Seaside, I saw that someone had gone to considerable effort to climb to the top of a huge sandhill and write in very large letters: NO ON 8 / NO MORE HATE

The personal is political, and even amidst vacations attention must be paid.

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4. Re: For the Californians

Sorry, telling or suggesting how people should vote is NOT travel related.

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5. Re: For the Californians

I think this thread is going to be closed because it is not travel related. After all, even some threads that do have some travel connection have gotten closed.

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You are all right, my post isn't tied to a specific itinerary problem. It has to do with people and their freedoms, which is really the heart of traveling. When we start to decide who is a first-class citizen and who is not, we alienate and discriminate against our friends and neighbors. I am very proud to come from California and I want everyone to feel welcome there. Ensuring that California stays non-discriminatory for its citizens and visitors is very much a travel-related issue.

They will most likely remove this post anyway. What else can I do? I'm sitting here in Switzerland while half a world away they're getting ready for a vote that will decide my future. You'll have to excuse me for trying. In a few hours all this election circus will be over and we'll be back to normal life. Carry on!

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I doubt the thread will be removed. It''ll likely just be closed. So people will still see your heartfelt sentiments.

But I'm sure we all understand that if each one of us were to express our election opinions or our views on a variety of non-travel subjects, we'd have bedlam on TA. And maybe some members who have deeply held disagreeing views on some issue wouldn't be "virtual friends" any more, which would be unfortunate.

If the biggest thing we disagree over on the forums is whether or not "Frisco" is a naughty word, everyone can still be friends! :^)

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There are some civil rights issues that are travel related so discussing it in that frame of reference would keep the conversation from disintegrating.

There have been several questions on the Italy forums about how African-American travelers would/would not be accepted. In some parts of the world I imagine that same sex couples are also not accepted sooo attempting to keep equality in California is an important idea.

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