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Crimes against Tourists

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Crimes against Tourists

I have just read all the reviews on this subject & like everywhere, unless you experience crime personally you do not think it exists. We just returned from our first & last trip to Bali & on our first night our son was kidnapped walking home from Legian /Kuta beach to Kuta resort, assaulted, forced to enter his pin no. in atm (only had $20 credit) dragged in to lush hotel room (Pullman) again assaulted before he escaped by smashing through glass door, jumping over railing & fence & sustaining deep laceration to leg requiring 22 stitches. Matter reported to Police who seemed unconcerned & in fact asked for 200,000rp for providing police report. A few hours after getting our son back to our hotel the night manager from hotel where main assault took place appeared with the manager of our hotel to ask for payment for the broken hotel room door. You can imagine what my reply was to him. In fact when I offered this guys business card to the police to investigate they said they did not want it.

We also experienced the money changing scam (as have many other people we have spoken to) and been hassled by people almost everywhere we went trying to charge exorbitant prices and to rip us off. Amazingly when we have told our story to many people who live & work in Bali they all say that unfortunately bali, especially Kuta/Legian area has changed dramatically in the last 5 or so years and this type of thing happens all the time. The authorities will do nothing unless you pay them or threaten to go to the media. We have been to malaysia Phuket,Vietnam,Cambodia,Philippines, singapore & Hong Kong & have never felt as insecure as we did in Bali. I can now see why we have never been before. Yes we know you should never walk home alone late at night or get pissed, but please do not try to convince me this is a safe place or that crime is not a problem It is!!!

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21. Re: Crimes against Tourists

I actually haven't drunk a drop on this holiday (far too hot for me!) so not sure which part of my "nativity" this highlights. I just don't believe that someone should be at risk of violence and abuse because they had a drink. If you'd like to know more information I would be happy to provide more information however I thought my message was lengthy enough and also felt that as we are specifically talking about safety it would not be a good idea to comment on specific hotels/locations. I wouldn't call the lengthy comment I wrote after one day here "cherry picking" but you are entitled to your own opinion.

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24. Re: Crimes against Tourists

There does seem to be a very disturbing trend occurring in Kuta:

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Dear fresh_prince,

I would like to clarify a few things for you. Firstly I am the father of the man assaulted & robbed (my son ) who is 33 years of age. I wrote the blog. As indicated, he was intoxicated, but was attacked by 4 men in the early hours of the morning & dragged away , initially thrown into a car, taken to an atm then taken to the hotel room where he was again assaulted. He managed to punch one of his assailants, and escape by kicking through a glass door, jumping over a balcony then a fence. Which part of his story do you think he made up? The part about being assaulted & having bruises & grazes all over his body, the 22 stitches in his leg, the report from the medical clinic doctor who sewed him up which I have, the detailed report from the police which I also have, the business card from the night manager of the Hotel which I also have, or the photo of the glass door shown to my wife & myself by this night manager clearly showing a broken glass door with blood on the tiles below. What really sickens me is that people like you are so quick to judges others so readily and disbelieve them. This must have been his own fault. Obviously you have never gone out with friends & got intoxicated or even if you had you would somehow be able to extract yourself from a similar predicament. My son had just left his friend to walk back to our hotel as it was not all that far away. His friend headed in the other direction. By the way these guys also used his credit card 4 times in the next few hours until we had time to cancel it & racked up another $500 in purchases. As for atms in Bali all having cameras, which planet are you from? Someone again must have seen something, after all scum like these always make sure there is someone around when they commit these type of crimes don't they? Again as I first mentioned the real manager phoned me the next day wanting to know when he could come down to our resort & get payment for the door. Maybe you think that I made this story up as well, after all I have been quiet since the initial blog. Hang on maybe it is because I have only just decided to check to see if there were any more replies to my initial blogs from idiots like you and may have been just a little bit busy getting rehab for my son & replacing stolen atm, credit card & licence etc. No I have not taken it up further with Accor group in Australia. I will give it a try, but given the reluctance of the management in Bali & of the police to do anything I think my chances of success are probably nil.

Thanks for your valuable insight & support.

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27. Re: Crimes against Tourists

I am so sorry to what happened to your son.

It always amazes me that people are so quick to defend Bali when they feel it is being attacked. I live here and I know there are more stories like this that this forum hasn't heard about. Personally, I have never been to a place where so many people I know have been scammed in the short time that they stay here. Of course not everyone writes to TA and tell their story. I won't take that experience against a place or its people.

Just because it has not happen to you, it does not mean that it doesnt happen at all. As I said at the end of the day, people are the same. There is always the good and the bad. No one is holier than the other.

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Dear soul2soul,

Thank you for that. At least you believe me. Maybe Bohol again for our next trip.

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Hi Parasail, just to clarify a couple of things you may have missed. Firstly, I never suggested that an incident did not occur.

I did question how it could occur without anyone noticing, whether your son was intoxicated and why the management of the Pullman refused to co-operate with the police, especially seeing as though they were after payment from you. I also stated that there were a few other questions arising from your initial warning but I'm glad you've come back to add a few more details that were previously lacking.

Perhaps you can explain (calmly) exactly how your son was dragged into a 5* resort without anybody seeing this occur? Dragged into a room under renovation (would not have been available to guests). In any case, there's probably a magnetic key tag which would have been assigned to someone and there would be a log of the entry times ect.

Then there's the fact that hotel/resort premises have very strict policies that do not permit locals onto resort/ hotel premises. The locals respect this and they would have stood out like sore thumbs. Pullman also have their own security team and have invested heavily in CCTV.

I simply cannot accept the alleged reluctance of the resort's manager to comply with a police request to hand over any potential CCTV evidence or other evidence that would assist in identifying your sons alleged abductors. This is no longer simply a petty crime.

I would be very interested to hear about the follow up with Accor.

As for the admission that your son was intoxicated and your subsequent defence of his right to go out and get blotto, sure, that is his right. Deflecting this however, by suggesting that obviously I've never gone out with friends for a drink, is a pretty weak argument, but put simply, yes I have, on numerous occasions but I never allow myself to drink to such excess, that I make myself a target for would be opportunists. Perhaps that comes as a result of having personally escorted many a drunk/ reckless patron from bars and nightclubs in my younger years. IMO, walking the streets heavily intoxicated and alone, is fairly reckless.

The other point I'd like you to appreciate is that this is the first example I've seen on the Bali TA forum, where someone is claiming to have been abducted/kidnapped. That takes things to a whole new level! Usually there are reasons behind an abduction vs stealing your sons wallet.. These people need to be off the street before they choose their next victims.

Sure, there are numerous warnings about bag snatching, card readers on ATM's and other scams but I'm yet to read previous accounts of actual abductions.

I'm now starting to wonder if your son may have got involved in some form of gambling, prior to his alleged abduction? Drugs? Hookers? Running up a substantial debt and not having funds to cover it, is one possible reason why someone may then be held against their will by those they owe money to.

I'm not suggesting that this is what occurred to your son but I feel it's a valid question.

I hope your son is recovering.

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