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trip Report - Arg. & Chile (Long)

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Just returned from a 17 day trip to Arg. and Chile with my wife and daughter. It was my ninth trip to BA but first for them. I had pretty much mapped out the Arg. portion in advance but we sort of winged it once we left for Chile. This probably was a mistake as I would have liked to experience more of Chile, but next time I'll be ready.

Our trip started in BA after flying Lan from Miami. I much preferred Lan over AA and Delta. Better service and the seats seemed roomier and much newer. I purchased a multi destination ticket on Lan at the time of booking and this does save some money. Our ticket was Miami to BA to Iguazu to BA to Bariloche with a return home from Santiago. Just a little over $1300 per person.

Before I forget, I have always dreaded the return from Ezeiza as you bounce from line to line and a lack of decent seating and food options. Santiago airport was far superior and we breezed thru customs and security to the waiting area in minutes where there was a good selection of food and shopping.

Arriving in BA I had an apartment already arranged with ApartmentsBA for 4 days near the intersection of Uriburu y Arenales. I picked that location because of the great massage place around the corner, Yin Yang Pi and proximity to Santa Fe and Recoleta. 70 pesos for an excellant 1 hr. massage at YYP. This trip however we didn't partake, but the price was still the same.

This was my 3rd rental from AptsBA and they were efficient again. Pablo was waiting for us at the apt. and checked us in rapidly. I did try to save a bit of money on this rental since it was a long trip and that was a mistake. I know the agency labeling their apartments as Luxury and Ultra luxury is a bit of an overstatement, but my other 2 rentals have been fine. This apt. however was one I couldn't wait to leave. I am not one to complain and since it was short term we only reported the flaws to the guy who checked us out. The apt. had some gnatty type flies but the main problem was the bathroom. Every night it smelled like sewage was backing up the pipes. We couldn't tell what was causing the problem but it reeked. It rained our first 2 days and I don't know if that contributed to a building wide problem or what. Also, if you could get hot water it was for about 5 minutes, which for 3 people doesn't cut it. I am not knocking the agency as Saint does run an efficient business and does have some real nice properties. This however is not one of them. Calling this Luxury is a real stretch.

Since it was my families first visit we did some touristy things including 2 tango shows and Evitas grave. Our first night we ate at El Trapiche in Palermo where I have eaten several times before. Good local parilla. The food was good but the portions seemed quite a bit smaller than only 2 months earlier. This seemed to be the case in most restaurants. Portions are still good size but they seem to be shrinking.

This may anger a few here, but I was quite disappointed with the BA dining experiences on this trip. I have always raved about BA dining and service, but not on this trip. The food was not bad, just not anything to write home about. Service was also very disinterested with a couple of exceptions.

On our 2nd night we attended La Ventana tango show after dinner at Don Corleones. I read about Don Corleones on Guialeo where it got high marks. It is located at Brazil 43 which is a pretty dimly lit neighborhood, sort of where San Telmo starts to become La Boca, I think. This place is not fancy at all and with the exception of a large group of local working men at one table, we were the only other diners on a friday night from 8-10pm. The owner who says he is Don Corleone and his wife were great hosts and we pretty much turned the menu over to them to decide and surprise. The food was good and it was a lot of fun with our warm hosts. Cheap as well, with prices well below Recoleta and Palermo standards, which have risen considerably over the past couple of years. After dinner they called us a cab to take us to the La Ventana Tango show in nearby San Telmo on Balcarce.

La Ventana was a great show. I had previously seen Rojo Tango at the Faena, which I liked, but this was so much more fun. This show does mix in some other elements which can be considered touristy but they worked well. The dancing was good and the Andes band and Gaucho bolo ball flinger and drummer were excellant. The " Don't Cry for me Arg." number was touristy but well done, and some older Arg. did have tears rolling down their cheeks. The building is great, service friendly and while we did not eat, the food looked good. The entire crowd really seemed to have a great time. I asked for champagne and was given a whole bottle which was included in the price. My wife and daughter just drank sodas. We were the last to arrive, only minutes before the show began but we were seated right up in front.

One highlight, about halfway thru, the orchestra was expanded including 4 new bandaleon players led by a true old maestro. All four, but especially the master and his star pupil on his right were really fired up. They were awesome and far exceeded any others I have ever seen.

On Sunday we did the San Telmo market which was good. Had lunch at Amici Mei in ST which was also good. Service was attentive even though they were full. Prices in BA have risen. IMO it is rapidly moving away from being a cheap destination. It is still less than the US, and far less than Europe, but not by much. I would like to hear others observations that have travelled there multiple times, but I felt quality and service is really slipping. I was very disappointed in this aspect.

After 4 days of BA we took a Monday morning LAN flight to Iguazu for 2 days. We all loved Iguazu and I was very impressed with the layout of the National Park. The falls are truly spectacular and a real natural wonder. We only saw them from the Arg. side but I can't imagine they would be any better from Brazil. The town was small and nice. Taxis are posting 60 pesos from airport to town which is about 20-25 minutes away. We stayed at a small place called La Sorgente which was very nice. The rooms are just basic but clean, however the grounds are well maintained and pretty. It was about 85us for a triple which included a decent continental breakfast with good fruit salad. I was eager for some good fruit after BA and the tropical surrounds of Iguazu offers up some good variety. The hotel was about a 5 minute walk uphill to the bus staion where you could catch a bus to the park for 8p RT. The falls are about 20 minutes from town and taxis were asking 50p. All the hotels that advertise they are halfway between the falls and town are really much closer to town. The Sheraton is right in the park and looked nice. I wanted to stay in town to sample the local flavors. We did have a decent meal and listened to a local trio sing.

One tip while going to Iguazu is don't rely on ATMs or Cajeros there. There are not many in town and none would work with any of my cards. I had some dollars returned from my apt. deposit and was able to cash them in town. Also at the National Park they don't accept credit cards at the entrance and only pesos. Admission is 40p per person but if you get your tickets stamped before exiting, the second day is 20p. IMO take 2 days for the Arg. side alone. There is a train that takes you to 2 different embarking points and enough to do for 2 days. The boatride for 60p is great as they really get you up close and personal. You will get soaked so you might want to do it last if it is a cool day, or better yet, just bring a dry set of clothes. Skip the truck ride for the extra 60p and stick with the boat. There also is a boat that will take you calmly over to the island in the middle with more observation points and trails. I wish I probably spent another day in Iguazu but 2 days will get you down most of the trails on the Arg, side. We loved the falls and I can't recommend it enough. The Devils Throat was spectacular.

One other tip, if your eating or holding a bag, watch out when the Coatamundis come around. Sort of the Latin American version of a pointy nosed racoon. They are cute but have lost their fear and will steal your tray or bag right of the table. The bigger they are, you can safely guarantee it is for a reason, they aren't scared. I saw one girl have her whole meal ripped off the table after ordering. They aren't everywhere but they are pretty abundant. While on animals there are also numerous rodents, I wasn't quite sure if they were nutria or small capybaras. They are shy and usually just nibbling in the grass. Lots of beautiful birds as well.

LAN did rearrange my flight from Iguazu thru BA to Bariloche and I had to spend an extra night in BA. We stayed at the Marriott which was good except for the restaurant. Once again our waiter was missing in action after serving our food. Food was way overpriced and not good. I should have known better but we were tired. Right nearby is a good spanish restaurant Tancat where we had lunch a few days earlier. On Paraguay just off of Florida ave. Big mistake eating in the hotel. We did see another tango show that evening, La Piazzola Tango. The dancing was good and the theater nice, but this show really lacked in connecting with the audience. Maybe we were just tired but it was a bit boring. Again we didn't eat but the other diners didn't seem too impressed with their meals. This show is all tango dancing. The attitude was vastly different than at La Ventana where we were met with smiles and flowing champagne. Here they were actually a bit surly and made sure you knew that your fee only included one drink and water. Also no photograhy was allowed. Again, our day of travels may have influenced our perceptions but we weren't disappointed when the show ended. I don't think we were alone in our assesment as the rest of the crowd didn't seem too jazzed up either.

Early flight the next morning to Bariloche where I had reserved Casita llao llao and rented a car. The casita owner was very helpful with reserving the car for me. One warning, the cars do look a lot bigger in the pictures than in real life. Many of the models we don't see here in the US. I bypassed the 2 and 3 door economy listed cars and opted for the 4 door Chevy Corsa. I should have gone higher as this car was not comfortable for me at 6'3". We got 250km a day which are easily used up. Casita llao llao was nice and had a great view. It is real close to the famous hotel and very near to the start of the circuito chico. There was snow in the upper elevations but Catedral was lacking in cover. We did drive up to Villa La Angostura which is nice. We had 3 days in Bariloche which was about 2 days too many. The road from town to Llao Llao is not in great shape and a bit nervewracking when getting reaquainted with a stickshift. Even when I got the hang and was actually exceeding the posted speed limits, there was ALWAYS some local driving right on my bumper. On the other hand the road to VLA was very nicely paved and fairly devoid of traffic this time of year. Nothing noteworthy about the food we had in Bariloche. While the views are nice I didn't think they were any better than the views from VLA. We did start down the 7 lakes road toward San Martin but didn't get very far as we had to return to our cabin. Llao Llao is a nice area but not much was happening this time of year, Bariloche I would bypass completely if doing it all again.

From Bariloche we had no other plans other than our return flight from Santiago about 8 days later. We went down to the bus station and bought 3 tickets to Puerto Varas, Chile. I wanted to do the Lakes crossing but it was closed as of last week. Some problem on the Arg. side according to the folks in Chile. The agent for Andina del Sur or Sud said they expected it to be running again by July 15th but who knows. Went to the bus station and booked on Andesmar. 70p to Puerto Varas. Left the next day at 8 or 9 which is still dark. Although booked on Andesmar it was Tas Choapa bus which arrived. It was decent and the seats recline very far. This may have been a problem for me with long legs but with only 11 people on board we had plenty of room.

The bus left on time and only stopped at VLA before turning towards the Cardenal Samore pass and Chile. You notice a difference very soon after turning west as there is much more fern like flora between the trees. There was snow up on the pass but the roads are good and kept clear. The bus driver was also very cautious and very safe. The border crossing requires getting off the bus twice. The Arg. exit only required you to go inside and get stamped. About 30km later at the Chilean border you also had to remove your bags and get them scanned. They seemed quite a bit more serious at the Chilean side. After crossing into Chile, the landscape was very lush and green. I wish I could have gotten off and spent a day or 2 at Puyehue Termas and Hotel, as it looked very nice. Mostly all farmland from Puyehue on.

The only Chilean stop before PV was Osorno for 5 minutes. Not a very nice looking town at all. It was raining and that could have contributed to my impression, but I don't think so.

Travelled down the highway to PV which surprising to me was located right off the highway. It was about 3pm at arrival and raining pretty hard. I was wondering what I had gotten us into as it didn't look very nice at all. There were no volcanoes or mountains to be seen.No cabs were waiting at the small bus station but soon a couple drove by and we got in. By the looks of the town in the rain I just asked the driver to take us to the best hotel. Our hosts at Casita Llao Llao had recommended a new hotel but we had forgotten the paper upon which I wrote the name. The driver took us to Cabanas del Lago first and then to the Melia Patagonia.

The Melia was very nice and luxurious. It has so many seating areas and a really beautiful bar with an always burning circular fireplace. I asked to see the rooms and was impressed. After our previous quarters all the ladies asked was that I make sure the bathroom was nice. It was so, we stayed. At check in the clerk upgraded us to a master suite which was great with lots of room and a great big bathroom with plenty of hot water.

We arrived at the Melia just in time to catch the end of Sunday brunch. I'll say this now, I wasn't expecting much of Chilean Cuisine. I have been to many Central and South American countries and I guess I just thought it would be the usual carne y papas fritas. I hoped for some good seafood but I wasn't sure what I would get. I came away very impressed by Chilean cuisine. In fact, it more than made up for my previously expressed disappointment with the Arg. restaurants on this trip. Great preparation and variety. The seafood was incredible, the salmon enormous and great. King crab, locos or abalone, razor clams etc... We did not have a bad meal in Chile and some were truly delicious.

After brunch I walked alone down the dreary raining streets to see what PV was about. With the rain and mist you couldn't see very far out into the lake. I stopped by the casino to get out of the rain. Actually it was pretty nice Casino. I played some blackjack and lost a few bucks. The tables had 1000cp minimums which is about 2 dollars. Although my spanish was somewhat lacking, everyone appeared very nice. After an hour I figured I better get back to the hotel before the family wondered where I was. Another wet dreary walk back. That evening or early morning I awoke and looked out and saw stars shining brightly and hoped it meant some good weather. I knew at this time of year you could potentially get socked in with rainy weather that would not let up for days.

Puerto Varas in sunlight was another story. Soon after sun up the nearby Chalbuco volcano became visible and soon thereafter Osorno Volcano came into view. As the sun rose this town looked better and better. A huge beautiful LLanquihue ( Yankee way ) lake and beautiful mountains filled the view. I'll try to post some photos soon. What a difference a day and a little clear weather makes.

After a nice continental breakfast I asked the front desk to call a tour company from one of the brochures in the lobby. I spoke with Chile Best Tours and I asked about crossing Lago Todos los Santos which is the Chilean side of the Lakes crossing. That crossing left at 8:15 am and I thought better of rushing the girls out the door. Instead we opted for a short PV tour, Petrohue Falls, Laguna Verde, a ride to Lago TLS and then to Osorno volcano. What a fantastic day. The scenery gets incredibly beautiful as you leave PV. PV did not appear very touristy this time of year but in the summer they say about 4,000 a day come to enjoy the lake. People are up early in Chile heading to work. On the drive out of PV towards Ensenada the views just got better and better and the Volcano loomed larger and larger.

We were the only people at Petrohue Falls. While not the scale of Iguazu it had immense beauty in it's on right. The water was so blue and crystal clear and with the Volcano background it was gorgeous.

Lago Todos los Santos was also beautiful and made me wish I had been able to lake cross from Bariloche. At the lake we did get our own 30 minute cruise for about 4 dollars each. I would think that you probably could get someone local to do your own Lakes crossing if you had some backpacking inclinations should securing transport between Puella and Puerto Blest prove difficult. I would love to try, just not with the wife and daughter in tow to worry about.

We had lunch at a new restaurant in Ensenada called Don Salmon. One of the owners wife is the chef. She is Brasilian and a great cook. I had the Lamb which was great. And the fresh variety of vegetables was awesome. Salmon pate and toasts served complimentary was great. My wife had the Salmon and was served two huge thick excellant filets. The portion of salmon was enormous, only to be topped the next night in town at rest. Las Buenas Brasas. Huge. At Don Salmon my daughter loved the lomo. I wanted to try Conger eel but they didn't have any so that would wait until the next night at Las Buenas Brasas. Dessert was also delicious. No more Dukce de leche but rather crepes with homemade ice cream and flambed fruits, Awesome, and the view of lake and volcano matched the food.

After lunch it was getting late and we continued on to Laguna Verde or the green lagoon. The sun had dipped a bit low to get the full effect but it was nice nonetheless. Then on to Osorno Volcano which had been gradually increasing in size throughout the day, the closer we got. Beautiful. You can drive about halfway up and then you can take the chairlift. There was snow and it was cold. At the top of the chairlift you have incredible views in all directions. Sun was setting and we headed back to the hotel after a great day.

Actually I think I can't type any more today. Next day was Chiloe Island, conger eel and then Santiago. More great food but I will have to sign off for now. Ciao.

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1. Re: trip Report - Arg. & Chile (Long)

I love long trip reports. They are full of detail and recommendations and you get a feel for the writer. So, more please!

Rather than Bariloche, next time try San Martin de los Andes or somewhere around Villa la Angostura. Both are smaller and much pleasanter I think. SMA has some really nice restaurants too.

I hope it was just a fluke that you got so-so service at restaurants in BA as good service is one thing they have always been noted for.

The drive across to Chile on that route is one of my favourites. It goes getting greener and more pastoral as you go along. Osorno has some old houses built by German settlers but does not offer a great deal otherwise.

The weather makes such a difference in the lake region. With cloud and rain you don't even see the volcanoes and the colour drains out of everything else. I am glad the sun shone while you were there. There are several good places to eat in Puerto Varas and it is nice to know that they keep the standards up off season.

Don't forget to post about the rest of the trip!

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Malapraxis, I hope you don't take too long to come back and finish talking about your trip as you have given us so much info.My family are planning a trip to Chile in November so I am waiting to hear about the rest of your trip!!!!

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Good luck planning your trip to Chile. I really did not do such a good job of planning my first Chile adventure. Partly it was because I seemed to have a lot of trouble getting the websites from the Chilean air and bus companies to work for me. Additionally my wife is pregnant and I really did not want to push her and my daughter real hard and we needed some down time. I figured we would find a way over from Bariloche and wing it.

I really feel like I just scratched the surface of Chile and would love to return with the knowledge I gained. Despite trouble with the websites, there are plenty of bus companies with offices in towns such as Puerto Varas. Turbus, Pullman, Condor etc... At this time of the year you really did not need any advance planning but I'm sure it's different when the weather warms up.

I probably should have walked into the SKY airlines office when I first arrived in PV and looked at fares to Balmaceda so we could also take in the glaciers. I assumed the prices would be similar to the very high fares quoted on LAN.

On our last night in PV we were just about to book a premier bed 12 hour bus ride from PV to Santiago for about 33k pesos. We walked into SKY and got the same trip by plane for only about 6k pesos more( about 12 dollars).

Since we were taking it easy we spent 4 nights in Puerto Varas and 4 nights in Santiago. 4 nights in Santiago was too much. It is a nice city with many nice sights but after 2 days we needed something different. Like in other areas of Chile, the food in Santiago was very good. One excellant meal we had was in Patio Bellavista at " como agua para chocolate". The food was excellant but I would recommend reservations in Santiago especially for Friday nights.

Others sights which we enjoyed in Santiago was the funicular ride up to the statue of the Virgen Mary which watchs over the city. From there you can walk a little ways to the aerial gondola ride which takes you on another very panoramic tour high above the city and drops you back in a nice area of town.

On our last day we went to the pueblinito de los domenicos which is a very nice artisan area fashioned like a nice pueblo town for lack of a better description. The artwork was very nice and prices reasonable. I bought a nice handsculpted fisherman.

Speaking of fish, the seafood in Chile was great everywhere we ate. We did visit the Mercado Central which primarily is a very large fish market. I really wanted to eat there but unfortunately we had finished breakfast a short time earlier. The whole inner area is tables with vendors all vying to get you to sit. I think you can pretty much point to anything in the market and they will cook it up. There is enormous variety and very fresh.

Plaza de Armas and Cerro Santa Lucia were also very nice and in the same general vicinity of the market. The Cathedral at Plaza de Armas was extremely beautiful and really was a museum unto itself.

I did enjoy Santiago but I am more a nature guy and I would have loved to head South from the lakes. If my wife wasn't pregnant that would have been the choice. We almost opted for Valdivia as well but the weather is really iffy this time of year and we didn't want to be stuck in rain. While in Santiago we did take a day tour to Valparaiso and Vina del Mar which really was not very enjoyable this time of year. In summer I think Vina would be fun for a couple nights but not now. The tour guide really did not posess much in the way of information and it really just seemed like they shuffle you to stops near where they have worked a deal with the local vendors , either restaurant or gift shop, to supply a steady stream of potential customers for what I assume is a kickback. I am not a big fan of tour groups especially in South America and I think you can accomplish so much more on your own. Chile is easy to get around I just wish their bus companies websites were easier to navigate from here, but maybe it's just my poor spanish.

Back in the Lakes region we did take a long day trip to Chiloe Island, where I learned it was pronounced Chill- o- way and not Chai-Lo. This island is nice but not really for a day trip. I think to really experience its charm you would need to get out far into the countryside and away from that main highway. I was expecting it to be a pretty remote area to reach but actually the highway was very busy between PV and the port where you catch the ferry, I think it was called Pargua. There you will find about 6 or 8 car and truck carrying ferries continually going back and forth between the island and mainland. With a car you won't have to wait long.

In Chile you really need to get away from the main highway to see what it is all about. Many businesses set up along the highway primarily because land is cheap and it is probably easier to get their employees there. It wasn't scenic from PV down past Puerto Montt to Pargua. This is what I wrote about when we arrived in PV right off the highway, but you really don't have to travel far off the main highway to start to see the real beauty.

We really did not see much of Chiloe as our tour only took us to Ancud and Pinguineros. Ancud is one of if not the largest city on Chiloe. It is picturesque with the multi colored boats going out to sea. We did have an excellant lunch by the water ( Pacific Ocean) where I had an excellant baked king crab and cream of apsparagus soup. One thing to mention is this is also where I first tried Kuntsmann Beer which is a german found brewery in Valdivia. Excellant beer, especially the terrabayo. Great to have a good beer to go with the seafood.

From Ancud we ventured out to Pinguineros where we knew it was not the season to see the penguins but we hoped for maybe some sealions. To get there you are off the beaten path in a land that looks much like Scotland or Ireland. Very green with rolling hills and farms. Soon you will see the cliffs and beachs on the ocean. When we made it down to the beach there was quite a bit of activity. Many small boats had just come ashore with the seasons Locos catch. Locos are abalone which they were unloading right from the boats into small trucks. It was quite a scene of local flavor.

The Chiloe fisherman were quite a hearty rugged looking bunch. These small boats will usually ferry you out to see the penguins but they were quite busy on this day hauling in the abalone. It was quite a good picture taking opportunity. They did promise to take us out to the penguin area after they finished the unloading but it was quite cold and we passed. The water there is very cold and the divers had these extremely thick wetsuits.

I never did get to order the locos but I will next time, Just too many choices on the Chilean menu. Conger eel was great, not really an eel but rather an extremely white flesh fish. Looks like a kingfish or wahoo.

I will say I was very much more impressed with the Chilean cuisine than what we had in Argentina. On our last day in Santiago we did walk a local farmers market near the artisan village. What a collection of beautiful fruits and vegetables. I wish we had such choices here. Everything was huge and nicely colored. Bunchs of celery had stalks that were almost 3 feet long and heads of lettuce and cabbage were huge. In Ecuador I saw such variety but the restaurants never seemed to offer them up, Chile they do and they are delicious. All of those volcanoes have really created very fertile farming land which makes for great eating.

I would like to ask some of the local experts like DancingMolly why they don't post more about the local cuisine. Maybe they are used to it. I would return to Chile just for the food. As for the people of Chile, they also made our trip very enjoyable. All of the Chileans were very cordial and helpful and extremely nice.

As for hotels I think I already wrote about the Melia Patagonia which we loved. In Santiago we stayed at the Radisson which is also very nice. Breakfast was better in PV but both places offered very nice rooms and very efficient freindly staff.

If I can offer you any help just ask but like I said I am kicking myself for not planning better because I really feel like I cheated myself on the Chile portion. I will be back however and I can't wait to really get out and explore. Hope your trip goes well.

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Thank you Malaprais for the final chapter of your travels to Chile.Great info to take on board. Unfortunately we don't know yet where we are going to as we are travelling to Chile to support our daughter who will be playing in the U20 Women's Soccer World cup in Chile from 19 Nov until 6th Dec. So at this stage we have booked our flights to and from Santiago and now await the draw to see in which cities she will be playing in and then it will be a rush to book accomm etc before places get booked out. Hence the research now so I have a fairly good idea what's on offer as none of my family speak Spanish! and like you, I have found alot of the websites are in spanish only.

Thanks again.

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gk

Others may know better but I don't think you will have that much trouble at that time of year. I think it is mostly the months of Jan-April that are busiest. While I have only been to Argentina the times you are travelling it is a great time of year with beautiful spring weather. Good luck to you and your daughters soccer team.

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Again, a very enjoyable read. You went to my local street market (!) which is there once a week. They are building a metro station there which makes parking difficult unfortunately. But, yes, it is nice stuff. You should see the strawberries when they are in season. As to why Chile doesn't talk about it's eating options....I don't really know. I think there are a great variety of restaurants and Chileans are open to try new tastes. There are some great Japanese restaurants (we have the fresh fish and seafood for it) and many other types of food available.

Now if you are an outdoors person, you definitely must come back. There is a whole world waiting for you south of the lake district which you would love. Even staying in the lake district area there are some wonderful national parks. Try to return between December and April to get the best weather. You could plan while you are waiting for that baby to get big enough to travel.

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