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Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

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Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

Here's a story about a slot machine that was giving the wrong credits for money inserted and the local authorities are thinking about charging people that won on that slot. What do you think about this subject?

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1. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I think it should only be a crime if they had a direct hand in 'fixing' the machine. If they learned about it via word of mouth, that's not a crime. That's the casino's fault.

This is kinda like that deal in Philly Park where the guy thought he had won a progressive but they claimed it was an error. He eventually got paid. The precedent is thereby set: the casino is on the hook to pay for all 'honest mistakes' on their part.

That said, I would've been too scared to play the machine. A while back at Caesar's, my VP machine was acting strange every 15-20 hands and even though I was doing well, I walked away concerned that if I had hit a royal, it would've been deemed 'invalid' or 'illegal' or whatever.

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2. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I think whatever anyone wins, the casino should pay it out--even if the machine is dubbed "broken/malfunctioning" during the fact. I mean honestly, how can people tell--we're not slot attendants/repair people--so how would we know something was wrong? Are we to run and get someone everytime it starts acting funny for fear that it's malfunctioning?

If the machine was at fault, then the casino needs to pay up/honor the amount due!

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3. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

Well , in this case it wasn't the slot machine that was faulty per say . It was the money exchanger , which is probably why they are making a fuss about it .

In the past I had a 3 coin machine at Plaza that spat out 4 or 5 quarters on non winning spins . I accepted that a compensation for all the wins I didn't get on defective machines lol .

Once I had a bank call me up asking for money because they had paid me out at the wrong rate for the exchange of German money . I did I know if they really did this . I had no idea what I gave them .

I guess they can tell without doubt that the people got X amount of dollars too much by the computer records ?

What if the people said "Maybe someone else got paid wrong , But not ME !" or "Gee I thought it was a form of bonus or cash back . Otherwise I wouldn't have played it ."

I can see a difference where some one put a dollar or two in the machine , realized it wasn't functioning properly and played it out and left , and other people who possibly sat there feeding a fistfull of dollars in and walking away with a 10 X voucher .

Then of course there is the relative morality of it . If you got a $10 instead of a $1 at your local pizzaria would you give it back ? How about a dept. store ? And in this case it was *HARRAH'S* lol .

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4. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

It's BAD PR to request the $ back. I also believe it was the company's fault and should just take the loss. A certain grocer offers 'if the price rung up at the register is higher than the posted price, that item is free' During a discontinued product closeout of a certain brand of gorgonzola the price was posted at $4 for the closeout. It continued to ring up at original price of $9 and I continued to receive the gorgonzola free each visit until it was sold out [this took over a month]. I would have gladly paid the $4 as it was a bargain, but they did not change it in their system. Is this criminal intent? [I hope not, but am not naming grocers or product tee-hee, actually it occured over 15 years ago, statute of limitations?]

Well, if they do seek 'criminal intent', it will be bad PR for them and they will lose more than just the original money and the customers who they try to prosecute.

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5. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

LOL - I would have played the machine!! I would have run every $100 bill I had thru it. I would have had one of my friends guard it while I took my daily limit out of the ATM and come back and do it again!

I think they're just going to waste taxpayer money if they try to prosecute this. I would just say, "I was drunk. I have no idea if the machine paid out right or not."

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6. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I was pretty surprised reading this story yesterday, especially since this actually happened a year ago and is now going to court! Let it go!

The casinos are responsible for the operations of the slots and if a machine isn't working properly, close it down and fix it. I doubt if it was reversed and the machine was eating our 20's, 50's or 100's they would be so quick to believe us and reimburse our money!!!!

We go home and lick our wounds when we lose, Harrah's needs to man up and move on!

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7. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I usually consider myself a pretty honest person but I think I would have played that machine after pulling my slot card out, hoping they couldn't trace what I won back to me. I also have doubts about the amount that Harrah's claims they lost. The $487,000 probably includes payouts without consideration on what was gambled back, much like the way they calculate what was gambled when coming up with your tier level. I'd be curious to see what people actually cashed out with.

As far as it being a crime I don't think the people should be prosecuted. If Harrah's thinks they were wronged and can prove what people got that they shouldn't, let them go after them in civil court.

How would they know that any jackpots you won were not actually won on the money you put in and not on the additional amount the slot credited you with.

I agree with the one post that Harrah's needs to eat it and write it off.

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8. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I think that if you knew that it was defective and played it anyway, it should be a crime. Kind of feels like stealing to me. Don't get me wrong, I may have tried to play it and grab some myself, but I think they have a case

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9. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

Sorry for the back to back posts, but I thought of a different scenario.

Supposed you put $20.00 in and saw you got credit for $200.00 so you cashed out and did that several times and walked away with say $2,000.00 and never played the slot once, just took advantage of the programming error. I'd lean more towards that being wrong to do than put your money in and gamble the credited amount.

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10. Re: Should winning on a defective slot machine be a crime?

I could see how some of the players really DIDN'T know it was defective. Especially if they were drinking - which a lot of people are doing in the casino. You put in a $20, don't really notice how many credits. Play, have a couple wins., look up and see a bunch of credits in there.

"I don't know what happened but I won a lot on this machine!"

lol

That's my stoey and I'm sticking to it! ;-)