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when i was at harrahs for new years one day i saw an area of slots roped off - and a tech had the tops open (it was a bank of those sit down machines where you are seated quite low - located past the diamond cove toward brigantine (vicinity of event central but on the main walk). He had a cart with what looked like electrical boxes with lots of wires attached - enough for the whole bank of machines - what were they doing? Is this what they mean by changing the chip to change the odds or is that routine maintenance? Anyone know?

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Could be they are switching over to server based gaming or maybe they are changing the hold percentages in the machines. If changing the hold dear god in heaven please dont let them tighten the slots anymore! Is there any place in entire US where slots are tighter than ac? I dont think so

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Yes, the tribal casinos I go to here in Washington. I rarely win anything, so i've started going less frequently. Better to save my money for AC or Vegas.

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If they were all the same machine, they may have been setting up for a slot tournament.

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an eprom chip in a modern slot machine contains the firmware which in turn contains the virtual reel layouts which dictate the payout percentage of the machine. when you change the chip, you change the payout percentage, but if there was just one person, a tech, they were not changing an eprom chip. that can only be done in new jersey under the supervision of somebody from the DGE.

also, the eprom chip is generally located on the CPU contained deep within the body of the machine and usually accessed via a side door. the only electrical component i know of on the top of the machine would be the light bulb for the "topper" and the associated circuitry. it's possible the tech was performing routine maintenance or installing a new bank of machines. it's also possible, but doubtful, that he was retrofitting the machine to include touch screen panels, in preparation for the introduction of the "total touch" system at harrah's.

changing chips is an expensive, time consuming and labor-intensive process and is not done casually. since harrah's advertises that they have over 400 new machines on the floor, tit's a safe bet that those are the ones that are more likely to be tighter than others. it's easy to order new, tighter machines; it's a lot more difficult to change the chips on existing machines already on the casino floor.

the tech would most likely not be switching the machines over to server-based gaming, unless he had the floor and/or the ceiling and walls ripped open and was running cables. (besides, server-based gaming would have to be approved by the DGE with a series of hearings and i haven't heard talk of any proposed server-based gaming installations or conversions in AC. the revel, built from the ground up, would have been the most likely candidate for server-based gaming and, as far as i know, none of their machines will be server-based.)

harrah's generally runs their slot tourneys in a ballroom upstairs and uses the same bank of double (or maybe triple) diamond machines almost every time. i've never seen (in recent years) harrah's give over floor space on the main casino to tournament machines.

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No it definitely wasn't a slot tourney. I was rushing or I would have stopped to snap a pic. it appeared to be one tech and one possible security like person near the tray of devices they were swapping out. it was a bank of maybe 3 -5 machines double sided. The machines were not all the same. I recall wondering if it was maybe the part that takes your cash or voucher but wasn't sure.

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They may have been switching those machines to system that is in Bally's which you can order drinks and see your totals. I've noticed in certain spots that some of the slot machines have the new system - not fully activated - you can't order drinks or download offers - but your totals do show. I'm guessing Harrah's is the next to convert.

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they are in the process of converting to total touch @ HR, one section at a time

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From CBS Money Watch:

>> Mancuso also said Revel will open with 100 server-based games, which are connected to a computer database that enables the casino to quickly change the theme of the game to meet demand. It will be the first casino in Atlantic City to offer such machines.

"If a customer wants to play a particular brand, we will be able to change that game in a matter of minutes on the floor," Mancuso said. "It gives us a big advantage." <<

More at cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57352382/…

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please understand that changing the available games is different than changing the payout percentage of the machine. you can do both with server-based gaming, but i haven't seen any news of an approval from the DGE in new jersey allowing the revel to change payout percentages remotely. of course, there is very little oversight of casinos now, since the CCC was pretty much abolished, so it's anybody's guess as to whether or not that will now be allowed at the revel.

server-based machines are in place on a limited basis in las vegas, but there are strict rules there that govern the changeover: no changing payouts while somebody is playing, for instance, and there's also a required period of downtime during which a "machine disabled" message has to be displayed on the screen.

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I said this before here or elsewhere.

On a server based game a guy could be playing a 99% game for an hour, then go get something to eat, and when he returns be playing an 83% game.

For me, thats way too much control in the hands of the casino.

DGE- HA, I'm surprised you would even mention them........

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