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How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

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How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

I will be going to Vegas for the 1st time in December. I have read a lot on here about people being offered discounted rates or free weeks and certain hotels. How much do you need to gamble to get these comps? How do the casinos know how much you have spent there over a few nights?

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1. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

It varies from hotel to hotel, host to host and certainly depends on what games you play. I know the upper end hotels such as Wynn and Mandalay look for $75 - $150 a hand for at least 4 hours to discount or offer free rooms.

I never play the slots but apparently you can play slots for next to nothing and earn all osrts of comp points.

What hotel are you staying at?

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2. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Stop right where you are.

Never ever gamble to get comps. You may not want to hear this, but decide how much you are willing to risk gambling, then figure out how much that will get you in comps. Otherwise you are headed down the wrong path.

Having said that, here is my standard comps speech:

The comps game is pretty simple. The casino tracks the amount you bet x the casino's expected win (the hosue edge) x the amoutn of time you spend gambling. They do this IF AND ONLY IF you use a players club card, which you sign up for at the casino. If you do not use the card (insert in special slot on a slot machine or hand to the dealer at a table game) they will not track your gambling.

Most casinos will comp you about 30% of the expected loss on the amount of "action" you give them. So if you are playing blackjack at $10 a hand at a casino-estimated 60 hands an hour, your action is $600/hour. Blackjack has basically a 2% house edge (that's how much you are expected to lose in their eyes, regardless of how much you really lose). That gives you an expected loss of only $12/hour, which gives you a comp of $3.60/hour. Since you probably consumed that much in free drinks, the casino is not really keen on paying you more. Most people betting $10 a hand are not serious gamblers, so the casino, especially the better ones, do not really need to pay comps at that level. Most $5 and $10 players are there for entertainment and not really expecting much for their money other than "free" drinks; the bold ones may ask for a buffet comp. The bigger casinos require you to bet at least $25 a hand to get rated for comps.

Slots, on the other hand, are very comp friendly. They accumulate on the same basis, with the amount of action determined by the amount of money you bet. This is different than how much you put in the machine or how much you win or lose. If you put $100 in a machine, hit a few jackpots and keep playing, you could be giving the casino hundreds of dollars in action. For every $100 you bet, the casino expects to win $6-$10, depending on the machine. They will return 30% of that as comps, often in the form of points, that you can use to lower your hotel bill or to buy things in the casino gift shop or sometimes a special points gift shop/catalog.

But remember: gamble to have fun and/or win money. Never gamble to get comps.

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3. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Just get and use a card. Don't gamble to get comped. You wind up paying way too much for a room or a free meal. Just use the card and see at the end of your trip if they "like you".

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4. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Slots, on the other hand, are very comp friendly. They accumulate on the same basis, with the amount of action determined by the amount of money you bet. This is different than how much you put in the machine or how much you win or lose. If you put $100 in a machine, hit a few jackpots and keep playing, you could be giving the casino hundreds of dollars in action. For every $100 you bet, the casino expects to win $6-$10, depending on the machine. They will return 30% of that as comps, often in the form of points, that you can use to lower your hotel bill or to buy things in the casino gift shop or sometimes a special points gift shop/catalog.

Say this one again slowly...so if you put $100 into a machine, win or lose, the casino is happy? What if you put in $20, lose it, put in another $20, lose it...do this 5 times...the casino is NOT AS happy, even though at the end of the day it's still $100? What if you put in $100, lose $20, decide it's a bad machine, take your $80 chit and move to another machine...

The Las Vegas limits just seem too high to me. Our local Indian Casino treats us like kings and queens on a lot less play, so when we come to LV we don't expect anything, and don't gamble over our comfort level to "get" anything.

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5. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Thanks for those very wise words. I asked just out of curiousity, I would never gamble beyond my means, no matter what was on offer.

I will be staying at TI.

Thanks once again.

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6. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

The Coast Casinos seem to be the exception. On their Coast Club website it states under club rules; "1 point for every $1 won in the slot areas"

Not too good of a deal. I get offers from them but they aren't great. I guess I don't win enough. You'd think they would want the person thats pumpin' the money into the slots. I guess they want you back to get the money you won from them.

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7. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Winds:

I think you are missing my point. The casinos do not care about how much money you buy in at a table or put into a machine in the first place. Yes, they track it, but it is not very important. What is important, pure and simple, is HOW MUCH you gamble.

They don't have time to worry about whether it is your money or their money. You are one of thousands of people in the casino that day.

All they care is that over the long haul for every $100 bet, they will make anywhere from $1-$2 on the low side (blackjack/craps) to $6-$10 on the mid side (slots) to $15 on the high side (stupid craps bets/Big 6 Wheel, etc.). Once they establish this THEORETICAL LOSS for you, they are willing to give you roughly 30% back in comps to keep you coming back to lose more.

If you are a big winner, so be it; the guy next to you is an even bigger loser. That's how they can afford to build those big palaces.

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8. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

MgMrach stupid craps bets?????? I thought craps was one of the better games for a player to play cause the odds are in your favor

??? or am I wrong??

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9. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

Let me get this one, MGMarch. You taught me well …

Freedadog, a few of the basic bets in craps have a fairly low house advantage. These are pass line bets, free odds, placing bets on 6 and 8 and, perhaps, come bets. These are not the bets I think that MGM was referring to. I think the “stupid craps bets” might refer to some of the more risky craps bets, such as field bets, hard bets and big 6 and 8. These bets have a much higher house edge.

(MGM, how’d I do? Grasshopper has learned, oh wise master…)

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10. Re: How much do you need to gamble to get comps??

This a great question.

Every hotel seems to be different.

I play penny slots at the Orleans. I get offers frequently for free nights, 2 for 1 buffets.

I am going 3/21 to 3/23 with an offer for 2 free nights, $50 food credit, $100 free slot play on any machine.

I decided to ask for my win/losses report from my trip last Sept.

This is what I got. In 4 days I put $4300 in the machines & won $3800. So I spent $500 gambling.

Hope this helps.