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When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

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When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

So many threads lately about this "attack the dealer" style of play. When did this suddenly come on to the scene?

Where did this "playing for the table" come from?

If you get a deck of cards and start dealing out hands, you will get the same % of good, bad and incredible hands that the dealer gets. Try it.

Let me get this straight. A guy bets a hundred dollars and stands on a soft 15 looking at a dealer's 9. Why? I have no idea, but there are some possible reasons.

1. He/she thinks everyone else is going to stand because he/she has a hundred bet and everyone else only has 5 or 10 bet.

2. Following this logic, I'm supposed to stand on my hard 13 because it might mess up Mr./Ms.'s hundo bet.

3. If the dealer flips over a 3 for a hole cards and then pulls out a 4 for 16 and a 5 for 21, I'm supposed to boo and jeer the dealer for their cursed luck.

Well, here's me: I buy in, play a few hands using Basic Strategy and observe what the other players are doing, without comment. There are various delays such as Accounting adding up the chips in the tray, the dealer rearranging the chips because they see the break relief coming, bon mots between the new dealer, the old dealer, the pit boss and any other employee standing around, new cards, etc.

During these timeouts, I try to start a little chat. Often, there are things in common and we chat about that. Some people don't want to chat so I pick up on that and don't bother them. Some young people don't want to talk to an unhip old man and are frosty. I don't bother them, either.

Now, play is back on and I see patterns. A guy continuosly hesitates when holding 12 to 16 while the dealer's upcard is 7 to 10. He's either counting, trying to count, lost the count or is guessing at the dealer's hole card.

The young married couple on their honeymoon giggle a lot and constantly split any pair, no matter the situation.

The 40ish guy with the big nose, pompadour and pinkie ring pushes out various levels of hundreds, loses every hand, keeps buying in for a thousand, keeps making the same mistakes, constantly wants a private audience with the pit boss, calls for a new deck or a change of dealer.

Meanwhile, I am sipping my brewski, playing Basic Strategy along with my betting scheme and my pile of chips is growing slowly, for sure, but steadily. I am laughing and joking with everyone else, but I stick to my guns and play my way.

So, now I'm supposed to change the way I play so that this collection of dummies can win a hand?

I won't give an answer. Why don't you all tell me what I am supposed to do?

Baltimore, Maryland
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1. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

Stay the course, tip your CW well and ride the BJ karma train all the way to the station!

Saint Joseph...
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2. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

What you're supposed to do ???

Switch to decaf!!

Denver, CO
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I just can't imagine getting grief from someone for playing Basic Strategy. I've heard countless stories of people getting attacked for breaking from Basic, but never for playing correctly.

The goal of the game is to have fun and hopefully make some money. Sounds to me like at that table, it's you and the newlyweds who know what the hell they're doing!

Edited: 15 November 2011, 15:08
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There will always be ignorant people who think the way someone else at the table plays actually affects their play. It doesn't.

Calgary, Canada
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5. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

I haven't noticed this stuff too much, but I play mostly downtown.

Kenosha, WI
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The newlyweds don't know what they are doing if they are splitting EVERY pair.

Cottage Grove...
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7. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

That's why I don't play blackjack. My slot machines don't get pi$$ed off at me if I do something wrong.

Philadelphia...
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8. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

JW - I HAVE gotten grief over playing basic strategy. "You heet dee 12 wan time and you stan dee nex, what ees wrong wif choo"?

Dublin, Ireland
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I think people should be free to play how they feel. There's no reason why one card is any more likely to win or lose a hand than the next one is. I was in a casino in London a few weeks back and I was the last player to play on the table (a seat I'll try not to be in again) and even though I was playing basic strategy (or as close to basic as I could play at 2am after a lot of drink) I had one guy at my table who several times discouraged me to take another card even when I knew it was the right thing to do.

But that said, if nine times out of ten I call for another card with 16 against 7 if one time I get a feeling that standing is the right call for that hand then I'd like to be able to make that decision.

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10. Re: When Did Blackjack Suddenly Turn Aggressive?

i want to sit at your table