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do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

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do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

I always wondered if there are casinos that pay more in slot machines prizes than other casinos do?

Any thoughts?

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1. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

According to gaming commission data, payouts are higher at downtown casinos than strip and higher still at local casinos. But they don't break it down to individual casinos.

Further, one machine could be set to 80% and the seemingly identical machine next to it set to 95%. You have no way to know. Just play whatever you like in a convenient location that you like.

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2. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

......... " if there are casinos that pay more in slot machines prizes than other casinos do? " .............

Yes!

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3. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

Slots are set to pay off at a higher % in high traffic areas. IE: front desk area, Buffett line, entrance to a casino etc etc.

My fav slots are in circus circus. They have a revolving floor with $1 slots. These machines pay off.

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4. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

I would be willing to bet a fair amount of money that there are no surprises here. The casinos with the worse VP and BJ also have the worse slots.

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5. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

I think the people that put the money in the machine and push the button and win are just lucky. Nothing to with the machine.

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6. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

Some casinos absolutely have higher payback percentages, which results in more winners overall. A brief list is available from the American Casino Guide (americancasinoguide.com/…Nevada). However, keep in mind that these percentages are all calculated over the long-term; unless you're planning to spend hours in front of a machine, it really won't make that much difference where you play.

Wheatie59: While that's definitely possible (especially in Aria and other places with server-based slots), it's probably not the case. Usually when a casino buys specific machines, they have them all set to the same payback percentage.

Locomoco: That's an urban legend, actually. The placement of a machine has no effect whatsoever on its payback percentage. In general, the only thing within a casino which affects the payback is the denomination of the machine. The ACG explains it in more depth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7GfxooxRt4

Edited: 08 March 2013, 04:39
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7. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

"Wheatie59: While that's definitely possible (especially in Aria and other places with server-based slots), it's probably not the case. Usually when a casino buys specific machines, they have them all set to the same payback percentage."

I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. The machines can be reprogrammed. With traditional machine, they must be shut down and the chip that controls the payouts has to be physically changed. The server based machines allow them to be changed on the fly. Gaming regulations still require they be idle for a period of time before and after the change, so they can't change them while some is actively playing.

From the wizardofodds page on slots:

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Myth: The slot department can tighten my game with the press of a button remotely. Thus, you better be nice to the staff and tip them well, or they will use a remote control to have the machine take you down in a hurry.

Fact: There is now some truth to the myth that the odds of a machine can be changed remotely. Such "server-based slots" are still experimental and in a minority. Even with server-based slots, there are regulations in place to protect the player from the perceived abuses that could accompany them. For example, in Nevada a machine can not be altered remotely unless it has been idle for at least four minutes. Even then, the game will display a notice that it is being serviced during such changes. (source ) Meanwhile, for the vast majority of slots, somebody would physically need to open the machine and change a computer chip, known as an EPROM chip, to make any changes.

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Just below the middle of the page, here:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/

The definition of EPROM from his glossary:

EPROM

EPROM is an acronym standing for Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory. More importantly EPROMs are a microchip used in slot machines that determine the theoretical return of the game. A slot manager can change the return of a slot machine by simply replacing the EPROM chip, although regulations may require additional paperwork.

Toward the bottom of his slots page, he has links to his analysis of several machines. He found these payouts:

Jackpot party penny machine at Wynn: 86.111%

A Hexbreaker machine at Main Street Station: 87.517%

Blazing 7's at Fremont: 89.09%

He also does an analysis of a Lobstermania machine based on a par sheet obtained in Canada. The other analysis required video'ing the machines for a session of play and then constructing the reels by examining the sequences seen during play. With the par sheet, he had the reels. He determined this machine had a payout of 85.012%. He mentions a paper, and states "The Harrigan and Dixon paper mentioned they were given par sheets for seven versions of Lobstermania. The available returns were 85.0%, 87.5%, 90.0%, 92.5%, 94.0%, 95.0%, and 96.2%."

These payouts are worse than even the very worst video games. Even all the very worst blackjack rules combined into one can't get the house edge as high as these. That's why casinos love and reward slot players.

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8. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

What ever casino I just walked out of will have one of the 'once in a life' time hits.

Big winners are pretty common, most of the time they seem to be either sitting next to me, or just sat down at the machine I just left. I can think of at least a couple of dozen times, this has happened. There are times I think I should just rent myself out as a good luck charm. LOL

In truth I think machines are more luck than anything.

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9. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

Wheatie59: I never said they couldn't be changed or reprogrammed, and I specifically said server-based slots are more likely to have variance between machines. What I'm disagreeing with you about is that you said "one machine could be set to 80% and the seemingly identical machine next to it set to 95%." Again, this is possible, but extremely unlikely.

I linked the wrong video earlier, this is the one I meant to post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wkubf1PrWg - if you don't want to watch the whole thing, skip to 8:40. "The payback percentages on slot machines are fairly constant within a particular denomination. This means you won't find some penny machines set at an 89% payback in one area of the casino, and 98% in another area. They are all set to pay back within about a 1% range of each other."

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10. Re: do some casinos have more winners in slot machines?

I'm a blackjack player, but have a slot question along the same lines:

Does the amount of time you spend on a machine have anything to do with your odds of winning?

Just wondering if it makes sense to spend $100.00 on a slot all at once or take breaks while playing blackjack and play $5.00 at a time.