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Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

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Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

Hi Friends! Have a Vegas trip planned for late October, but for the 1st time ever we're (my Beloved Wife & I) are thinking of canceling the trip----even have free rooms at Caesar's. Love Vegas and have been there many times over the years--up until 3 or 4 years ago always felt as if the Vegas Strip casinos actually WANTED us to be there, appreciated us, were willing to provide us with a substantial amount of gambling fun (meaning, in our case, being able play the slots for a significant amount of time on fun machines----losing, in general, but thoroughly enjoying the time we were there LOSING---that's why we go there---for the fun of it all in one of the most unique place in the world). But our last 3 or 4 visits we feel as if the casinos are just concerned with increasing their profit margin----incredibly difficult to find slots that provide enough in wins to allow you to play them for any length of time (unless you're willing to go way, way beyond your budget). The games HAVE become more fun in many respects, but you can't play them very long to enjoy them. And we have a reasonable sized budget----not wealthy, but hardly poor either----and more than willing spend our budget provided we're having fun (and we're very, very easy-going, easy-to-please people). But we rarely see happy folks at the Strip casinos in recent visits, see lots and lots of frustrated people who, in the past, WERE having fun. We're in our early 60's now, but have been going to Vegas for years and years. And we know it's all about greed, 2008, the emphasis on the uber-wealthy from foreign countries as well as the 1% in ours, the emphasis on youth, but really, does this make financial sense---destroy your image and the desire of folks with money (just not TONS of money) to come to Vegas and spend that money so you can squeeze every last dime out of everyone, rich or poor or reasonably well-to-do, so that, in the short-term, you, the casino owners get richer. In the long term (and maybe even the short-term), "THEY" apparently want to kill off the goose that laid their golden eggs (and made them what they are today). Just kind of stupid and sickening. Really, would it kill you to let us have some fun???

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1. Re: Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

I rarely gamble and when I do it is for very little money. I always feel "ripped off lol" when I lose. So If i dont feed it in I dont feel ripped off.

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I haven't noticed in the last 3-4 years, seems about the same. Maybe even better the last year or so, but since 2000 for sure, cause in the late 90's and early 2000's the place would bend over backwards for only a grand a trip.

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I'm in my late 20's, so I can't relate to your personal experiences from the past, but I have done my fair share of reading about how meals and steaks and other things were comped and more "fun" was had in the years gone by.

__"In the long term (and maybe even the short-term), "THEY" apparently want to kill off the goose that laid their golden eggs (and made them what they are today)."

-Currently "they" are all heavily ridden in debt and are trying to recoup their losses. LV is now run by major corporations, for better or worse, and they've all taken on major debt for those investments. Also, every so often, the culture in LV shifts focus a bit. A few years back, LV tried to become "family friendly". Before that, there were the many years where meals and steaks were cheap or comped for minimal gambling. Lately, there is a shift in growing the non-casino revenue and there has been a major focus on that.

If I were you, knowing what some of my friends and relatives do, they visit and stay at places like Red Rock Casino/Resort and The M Resort, or The Orleans. Places that have slight less of a "corporate" feel, and where their gambling is appreciated and the atmosphere can be a little more fun.

In regards to your slots comment, though, I think that's just some bad luck as far as not winning very often. Over your countless visits, as you've mentioned, it sounds like it's gone the other way a few times for you, too. Just part of the gambling "cycle" and odds over the long haul.

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4. Re: Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

Dunno. I have a fabulous time every time I visit.

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Okay there was a lot in your post for me to try and explain and or respond to.

I'm not entirely sure what type of games you play but if you're playing Nickel or Penny type of games here is the problem.. Many of them are extremely volatile now. That means there are a TON of losing spins and a very few big big wins. Middle ground is next to impossible to find.

The slot manufacturers have been getting a ton of complaints about it. They are trying keyword trying to produce slots that are less volatile. But IMO many of these low volatility slots are just as bad if not worse. One of the new low volatility slots frequently pays out .85-2x of your bet. But rarely pays out more then 5x your bet so getting into positive territory on them is next to impossible.

It could also in part be Caesars. They are having serious financial trouble right now.

Another thing that has been happening on penny slots is that they are increasing the bets. they went from 30 to 40 lines on most games. That's a 33% increase in wager every spin. If you typically bet 90 credits a spin on a 30 line game you'd get 22.2 spins per $20. If you bet 120 credits a spin on a 40 line game you only get 16 spins per $20 of wagers. With the increased volatility and increase in bet you either have to lower your bet to get similar play time or feed in more money.

I have almost completely cut penny games from my gambling. They are starting to eat up my bankroll just as fast as $1 and $5 slots but at least on $1 and $5 they have a better payback percentage on average.

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7. Re: Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

Sounds like you should cancel. Why be miserable?

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8. Re: Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

two suggestions-

1. Go off-strip

2. Paragraphs

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LOL, Johnzimbo...

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10. Re: Growing Sense of Being Ripped Off and Ignored in Vegas??

I'm with Dave - I still have fun when I go :)

So, you're saying Vegas would be more fun if they loosened up the slots a bit more. I agree with that, but they've gotta pay the bills for those places!

Most people look like they're having fun chasing that win to me.

There are plenty of other fun things to do in Vegas besides gamble.