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How does a slot handpay work?

Sydney, Australia
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How does a slot handpay work?

Do I have this right....

If I win $1199 I get $1199

If I win $1200 I get $840?

Cheers

Liverpool, UK
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1. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

Single wins over $1200 are subject to tax so you're basically right but I'm not sure of the tax rate and I believe it's possible for foreign visitors to get the winnings without tax deduction or at the very least be able to claim it back.

One day I might be lucky enough to have to experience it myself.

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2. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

I wouldnt know i havent been that lucky.. Assume this is correct

I guess a way of trying to avoid the tax is asking at the cash window before you cash your ticket.. If you had 1200 and they were going to tax you walk back over to the machine play $1 and collect and go back to the window..

Edited: 08 May 2014, 11:35
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3. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

It's $1200+ on a single pull, not winning, say $400 three times in a row. The machine will say hand pay and an attendant will come to you.

As far as taxes, it's best to ask someone who has won from your country, my hand pay I asked them not to take taxes out and I ended up paying it at the end of the year.

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4. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

Tax withholding is dependent on your country's income tax agreements with the US. Some folks are subject to withholding while others aren't. Wherever you seek additional information, make sure the source is knowledgeable on your country.

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5. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

Thanks I thought that was the case, I only recently found out about the tax withholding. I'm a low roller so in 4 previous trips I've never been close to a handpay. One day though............

According to the Australian US embassy site as an Aussie I'm a non-resident alien and can't claim back any tax withheld by the US government on a gambling holiday.

If I did win a handpay, the tax would leave a bit of a sour taste in the mouth. Seems like tax on tax as you've already paid tax when you put the 'coin' in.

Is a high-limit slot player treated different? I've seen $100 & $500 denomination slots, wouldn't the tax be a killer if you couldn't claim it back? I thought Las Vegas wanted high-limit international visitors?

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6. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

"Seems like tax on tax as you've already paid tax when you put the 'coin' in."

How did you pay tax when you put your money in? That makes no sense

"Is a high-limit slot player treated different? I've seen $100 & $500 denomination slots, wouldn't the tax be a killer if you couldn't claim it back? I thought Las Vegas wanted high-limit international visitors"

No,any win $1200 will be taxed and obviously on those machines there will be a lot,even a Full House will bring a tax slip.

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7. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

There is no tax withheld at Canadian casinos. Caesars Windsor has a huge sign right at the Detroit border to adveristise this fact.

My friend won big in Vegas and has been to able to claim his tax back with the IRS. They are brokers that can do this as well but if you don't mind waiting and doing some paperwork, you can do it yourself.

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8. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

OP has a point.... The dollar in your hand, if you acquired it legally, is 'net income' and has been taxed. In my bracket, I need to gross/earn $1.17 at my job to get $1.00 to put in a slot.

But If you win a large amount, those are new earnings....new earnings that if they meet a certain threshold are subject to taxes.....again depending on your country of residence.

Reminds me of an old lawyer joke - "what do they teach in law school?"

"It depends"

"Depends on what?"

"No....that's what they teach you."

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9. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

I'm pretty sure Australians can get the tax witholding back just like Canadians. I hope to find this out one day myself.

I remember reading that Joe Hachem ended up paying no taxes on his WSOP main event win because he was considered an amateur in Australia.

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10. Re: How does a slot handpay work?

Australia is not in the list I'm afraid. See point 4 from this article on the IRS website. If you get a slots win on one pull of over $1199 prepare to be taxed.

I won $2250 last year but luckily the US has an agreement with UK so the casino filled in an itin form for me (After tipping the guy $100) and I received a cheque for the tax they deducted a few weeks after I got back home.

irs.gov/Individuals/…WithholdingonIncome

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Chris