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Poker and Blackjack Players - Be Warned of the Wait

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Poker and Blackjack Players - Be Warned of the Wait

As a last minute decision, to escape the oppressive heat, we decided to escape to a casino for a few hours in the afternoon. Since the Sands Bethlehem kept advertising that they now had tables and were closer in distance than AC, we decided to give it a try since we were limited in time. What a mistake! They don't have a poker "room" but a sectioned off area on the gaming floor. That didn't really concern us, but we never saw such a long waiting list for 1-2 Texas Hold'em! When we arrived at 3:30, we were told that the wait was an hour to an hour and a half. Of course that is an educated estimate because one never knows how long the players stay at the table. The list did not even fit on the screen! After putting the name down, we walked around looking for $15 blackjack tables, but they were all filled up too. To make a long story short, a hour later, we checked back at poker and still did not make the screen list. By 5:30, we were again told that the wait was another hour. At 6:30, we were told again that it was another hour and our name was on the bottom of the screen. At that point, we gave up and went to dinner. At around 8PM, we decided to check the board and saw that the name was no longer on there so it must have been called while we were dining. That's the other problem--you have to stay around the poker area to hear your name called--it's not announced on the PA system. So we made the "shorter" trip to PA and ended up playing nothing while we could have gone to AC and had a choice of casinos and tables!MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT!

At one point we asked the shift manager whether their plans were to expand the poker area and was told that they have the space, but not enough experienced dealers to man the tables. This goes foror the other table games too because we saw alot of unmanned empty tables taking up space and waiting poker players using up the seats. I wonder whether this is the same story at the other new PA casinos--I won't try them until I know for sure. I'm sure the fact that it was a weekend day affected the wait, but never in AC did we ever encounter such a waiting period.

Bad planning will turn people off!

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1. Re: Poker and Blackjack Players - Be Warned of the Wait

Give it a chance,ALL good things take time.Its a NEW thing these Table Games.They have to learn.It will get ironed out.

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I'm sure it's similar elsewhere; since table games are new, training programs had to be started, and fresh faces needed to be trained. Here in the Valley, the Sands partnered with a local community college to start a dealer program. Everyone has gotten great training through the program, but it obviously takes some time for them to really get a feel for dealing tables day in and day out. I don't do table games (heck, I barely play slots), but traffic does seem to be up in that part of town. Goodness knows that we can use the tax revenue!

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I visited Harrahs Chester for the 1st time since table games opened and it was mobbed, had trouble finding a parking space for the 1st time since it opened. Obviously the table games are attracting a crowd.

The tables were mobbed and the minimums were high, most card games were $25 min, even roulette was $15 min. The poker room was mobbed, people were complaining about the wait, slots and VP was open however so the huge demand was for the table games.

Obviously they are experiencing growing pains, the dealers, no matter how well trained, are inexperienced which means they are slow. To make room for the tables the casino removed TITO machines and cashiers, this is creating long lines, especially at the cashier desk, TITO machines do not accept chips.

My concern, these casinos were built as slot parlors, they do not have the space available to acomodate the demand for table games, this will result in high table minimums and long waits. The casinos will be mobbed, the state will make more revenue, but it really does not benefit the average gambler.

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Well, if it doesn't benefit the average player, then eventually, either the average player will have to spend more to play locally, or the player will have to return to AC where the minimums are lower. Sands has the space to expand and include more lower limit tables. Mt. Airy has land too, but I don't know about the others in PA.

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Yes the Casinos have ALL kind of room to expand and most probally will since they are cleaning out most of A/C's customers.

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Wishfull thinking from the Who from Whoville. Most of the PA casinos are operating on limited space, none are as large as the AC casinos, just more unsubstantiated BS from the king of BS. I am happy to see table games come to PA, I live in PA, I will benefit from the tax revenue, I want all PA casinos to do well, but lets be honest people, compared to AC and Vegas Pa is still playing in the minor leagues. Just look at the minimum wagers being reported on the table games in PA, $25 BJ ? Maybe Moneywho can afford it but most can not. Those $10 tables in AC are looking more attractive by the minute. One minute this idiot is claiming PA slots pay back A Lot more then NJ slots, statistical evidence, AKA Facts, prove otherwise, now he claims PA casinos have unlimited space to expand, it is great that Moneywho is PA casinos #1 Cheerleader, hear he looks great in the miniskirt, but lets be realistic people, yes, its a plus for PA, yes, it will hurt AC, but no, it will not be the demise of AC. Yes, their profits will suffer, but they will not die.

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Let me see now,Pa.Casinos(Hollywood,Mohegan Sun,Sands,Mt Airy) are BIGGER than Resorts,Hilton,Claridge,Wild,Wild West.Thought I read somewhere NONE as large as A/C Casinos,But......

Also if you have ANY knowledge and been to Pa. Casinos you would see that Sands has a whole Steel Plant to expand in,Mt Airy has land it could give away and still have PLENTY and Mohegan Sun just bought Sunshine Market to built Hotel and expand.

Its so sad when some people post things they know NOTHING about.

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Obviously you have visited three of the PA casinos, last time I checked there are 9, so you have knowledge of 1/3 of the PA casinos, that must make you an expert. Harrahs Chester and Parx have squeezed every table game they possibly could into their limited space, at the expense of other amenities. Sure there are vacant steel mills which can be converted into table games, guess what, that cost money. We have a small hotel at Mt Airy, Sands is building a small hotel, neither hotel would even qualify for a casino in AC, 500 room minimum.

Again Moneywho, I am all for gambling in PA, I gamble monthly in PA my only objection is to the outrageous and unfounded claims you seem to make on a daily basis. Everyone, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, on the AC forum knows you are a fraud, Titanium, yeah, 7 Star, yeah, your just a wannabe, so sad, you should be happy with what you got.. Just once, post an opinion and back it up with facts, if and when you EVER do this I will bow down and kiss your A__, I mean ring. Put up or shut up old man !!!

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PS Moneywho, Claridge, WWW and Ballys are now considered 1 casino, all the properties you mentioned have at least 500 hotel rooms , and they are open, not so with Sands, Mt Airy has a couple hundred rooms available, that is it,

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“Also if you have ANY knowledge and been to Pa. Casinos you would see that Sands has a whole Steel Plant to expand in”

What Steel Plant would that be? I’m currently staring at the Master plan for the whole Bethlehem Steel area and the Sands in terms of expandable casino space is out of space.

They can’t expand the casino East as that would be where their parking deck currently is.

They can’t expand South as they would cut right through the entrance road to the property.

They can’t expand West as that is where the hotel is and at some point in our lifetimes the retail and convention space will go.

They could expand the building slightly North but they would have to demolish another parking lot and the only road that circles the backside of the property. And then you have Norfolk Southern’s tracks and then the water.

And the rest of the Bethlehem Steel complex in that area has been spoken for with eventual residential lofts, accompanying residential retail and food, extra space for Northampton Community College, the new PBS 39 broadcast studio, the Smithsonian Museum of Industrial History, and the whole Steel Stax visitors center/performance hall/youth arts space.

So it’s not that I’m trying to rain on your parade Who but, the Sands is pretty well landlocked for any gaming expansion.

Edited: 30 July 2010, 19:39