Way, way out there. I think we went the wrong way, and drove on a gravel road for about 6 miles (the GPS took us out a different way, on a paved road), so you might check that before you take off. I thought the wines were okay, but nothing spectacular. However, the facilities are very nice. Once you come out of the "woods" while driving there, the building & grounds are very cool. Would be a good place to meet up with friends for a picnic, or to do a reunion or something.